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12.06.2005

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At 11:51 PM, Blogger Trevor said...

the Judishes (Jewish) Museum in Berlin has a bunch of touchscreen polls for visitors to take. They are mostly about immigration and religious tolerance, specifically about Jews and Turks. It was remarkable to me that, given the immediate location, the poll results were overwhelmingly anti-immigrant, anti-Jew, and anti-Turk.

 
At 6:31 AM, Anonymous Tim said...

unfortunately this is very true here in germany..there is a good article that says it all...

http://www.umich.edu/~iinet/journal/vol2no3/ozdemir.html

 
At 11:43 AM, Blogger Ivan said...

There are two often-blamed reasons.

First, the welfare state makes it harder for immigrants to succeed economically. This means that there are shining differences between immigrants and non-immigrants.

Second, multiculturalism is the word of the day. This isn't an American melting-pot or tossed salad. It is more like a bento-box, with big walls or 'respect' built between different parts.

While the motivation is noble (inclusion) the result is bad (overt differentiation).

Economic and social ghetto-ization makes it easy for immigrants to be "them", especially if they are more likely to be unemployed or criminals.

As for anti-semetism, that's something I've never understood.

 
At 12:25 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

The immigrants have every reason to move to 1st world nations, and they'll continue to come, legal status or no.

My question: are anti-immigration activists a good or bad influence on your country.

 
At 1:46 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

"and they'll continue to come, legal status or no."

Israel has shown that you can greatly decrease illegal immigration. So the number is important here.


How about I rephrase your question: are welfare state advocates good or bad for your country's immigrants?

Bad on multiple counts.

Or an even better question to show where we probably greatly agree: are anti-legal-immigration activists a good or bad influence on your country?

 
At 2:09 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

So, should I ignore your question and ask 4 new ones?

People come here for material wealth from the private sector, not food stamps.

 
At 3:14 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

"So, should I ignore your question and ask 4 new ones?"

Is everything good?

The question is not targeted enough to answer, isn't it?

Grouping all immigrants together doesn't make much sense either.

Perhaps I could be made agree that all immigration is good. But most uneducated, unskilled, illegal immigrants will cost far more in government programs than they pay in taxes.

Am I supposed to say that's good? It's probably good for the immigrant, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Yes, they bring cheap labor. The alternative is increased innovation and automation or globalization with the employer moving to the base of low-skilled cheap labor. Either option is cheaper in the long run, and the latter is better for the source country.

 

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