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12.13.2005

Crips - Wikipedia

I'm trying to find the number of murders attributed to Crips. My guess is in the thousands.

The Wikipedia article is very interesting. The name actually _is_ from 'crippled'.

"The name Crips was first introduced in the Los Angeles Sentinel in a description by crime victims of young men with canes, as if they were crippled. The name stuck."


Update: this guy...

6 Comments:

At 10:26 AM, Blogger Miguel said...

I think the people who gave the black power salute at the execution claim (like the dead man did) that he was innocent of the crime he was convicted of.

I'm reading Gangs of New York right now, and I suspect not much has changed... I think that the combination of self-mythologizing, inattentiveness by police, and less organization thatn you'd think makes it essentially impossible to count gang murders.

 
At 11:01 AM, Blogger Ivan said...

Seems like the wrong case to defend. He started a gang the led to the murder of, probably, thousands.

The thug-life culture needs to be dragged into the streets and exposed as a bad way to live. Apparently, the story is that racism leads to gang behavior for people with few options, and when the assholes in gangs destroy their communities, there is no comeuppance. It’s always only about the root racism.

Bad people should be labeled as such.

There are certainly systematic problems that need to be addressed, both in policy and culture. Also, if tookie were innocent of the crime for which he was convicted, he shouldn't be in jail at all. I have heard nothing but "no evidence of innocence whatsoever".

Either way, this guy shouldn’t be a hero.

 
At 1:39 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

I assumed he did it, but I think it's a little weird that you're looking for "evidence of innocence" - that's French justice :)

You know much of the case for William's clemecy was based on his work in exposing thug life culture as a bad way to live. He's got your number in that area, it turns out.

I've also heard this "story" that racism has resulted in black ghettoes where there are few good options and no loyalty to larger society.

 
At 3:18 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

"I assumed he did it, but I think it's a little weird that you're looking for "evidence of innocence" - that's French justice :)"

When someone is found guilty, if you want to reconsider it, don't you need to have plausible way that they're, yah know, not guilty. If there is no evidence to that effect, and the same evidence that shows guilt, there is no "evidence of innocence" and no need for clemency.

I'm not talking about something different than "presumed innocent". He already was, and afterwards was "determined guilty".


"You know much of the case for William's clemency was based on his work in exposing thug life culture as a bad way to live."

I'm aware of his work.



"I've also heard this "story" that racism has resulted in black ghettoes where there are few good options and no loyalty to larger society."

I wasn't trying to say things are better than they are or made up. "Story" is akin to "meme", where is a missing memelet, where problems in some black subcultures are addressed.

If you suggest that there are big cultural problems, you get severely punished. If you're already a rich & famous black man, like Bill Cosby, you get laughed at by people with nervous smiles, worried that the elephant in the room is being brought up.

I would love to see more home-schooling, vouchers, a stronger earned-income-tax-credit replacing welfare, and drug legalization. That would go a long way towards urban renewal.

I doubt it would do everything, as this is now a generational issue.

 
At 12:33 AM, Blogger Andrew said...

In Graz, Mr Schwarzenegger’s home town, local Green Party members said that they would file a petition to remove his name from the city’s Arnold Schwarzenegger Stadium. A Christian group went even further, suggesting that it be renamed the Stanley Tookie Williams Stadium.

 
At 10:21 AM, Blogger Ivan said...

Andrew, I heard about that.

It's crazy, the spin. Somehow, because of the Nazis, they can look down upon capital punishment here.

As if it's a badge of moral superiority, rather than something to be shameful for.

Further, are they really comparing the murder of millions of innocents to the killing of a murderer?

My guess is that Europe is plenty like the US, with minorities in non-PC thinking even more marginalized.

 

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