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Winds of Change.NET: Strykers on watch

Follow the link for a story about soldiers helping with surveillance on the US-Mexico border.

A quick survey: what do you all think about building a tall wall (think the sound barriers along the side of freeways), with many legal access points, along the US-Mexico border?

Abby thinks that most people would be rubbed the wrong way with building a wall to keep people out. I think there is a world of difference between the fence in my back yard and the fence in a jail or old East Germany. Do you agree with Abby?

If you want the Republicans to suffer, you should complain more about immigration and budget deficits. Those two points could cause them to lose control of congress, despite the fact that their replacements would probably be worse.


At 2:50 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

I think the most effective way to build the wall would be to hire Mexican immigrants, who are seriously hard workers. Also I think it would be a bad choice.

At 3:11 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

The wall isn't against Mexican immigrants, whom, I agree, are seriously hard workers.

The wall is against illegal immigrants. Yah know, the folks that are affraid to report labor abuses, avoid car insurance, are far more likely to be criminals, or might even be terrorists.

Do you think Abby is right, in the _feeling_ people get about a wall generally?

Do you think it's ok to have close to a million illegal immigrants enter the US yearly?

At 3:19 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

Abby is 100% right. Putting a wall up in front of Mexico to prevent terrorism is an example of muddled thinking, IMHO.

I think immigrants, if they're criminals like you say, should be punished for the crime, not the immigration.

At 3:51 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

"I think immigrants, if they're criminals like you say, should be punished for the crime, not the immigration."

What about the crime of illegal immigration?

Why not deport illegal immigrant criminals?

Without a barrier, today's deportations (which are few and far between) are useless, as folks just come back.

Terrorism is only one part of what I mentioned as problems with illegal immigration.

To stress a point, I am very much for immigration. If we didn't have a generous entitlement system, I would be in favor of totally open borders.

Even with our current system, I would be in favor of allowing unlimited immigration of people beyond a certain level of intelligence or education (for reputable institutions).

Even low-skilled immigration is needed to a certain extent (though some would say it stifles innovation in automation of low-skilled job - I'm not sure I agree). The problem is a very large mass of poor, uneducated immigrants, our entitlement system, and the large number of illegal immigrants.

At 5:41 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

What about the crime of illegal immigration?

About as serious as the crimes of drug use, gay marriage, r-rated videogames, gun posession, etc. Which is to say, I think the main problem is one of grandstanding blowhards.

At 12:38 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

I asked a few more questions than that...

Also, should bad laws be ignored or repealed? I think the former causes erosion of the rule of law in general.

At 11:19 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

more questions ...which?

Should bad laws be ignored or repealed

They should be repealed, and enforced to extent of the best judgment of relevant authorities. And I think you're conflating "ignoring laws" with not supporting enforcing them with Pink Floyd concept albums. Oppurtunity costs yada yada.

At 10:30 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

The Wall kept people in dude...or at least your true feelings inside. Again, the confusion is, I think, often not an accident.

I need to read that book, btw. [the confusion]


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