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Murtha uncharacteristically responded to Vice President Dick Cheney's comments this week that Democrats were spouting "one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges" about the Bush administration's use of intelligence before the war.

"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done," Murtha said.

Referring to Bush, Murtha added, "I resent the fact, on Veterans Day, he criticized Democrats for criticizing them."



At 12:45 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

Speaking of Romans, and criticizing:

I think it's very stupid to fight self-declared martyrs by crucifying them.

At 2:25 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

Bush isn't attacking all critics. He is attacking people that were strongly for the war, and now question the sincerity in the motivation for the war.

That is a world of difference from people who think the war isn't being fought well, or thought it was a bad idea from the beginning.

The 'Bush Lied' meme is false. It is the worst kind of political opportunism to trump up the same old repudiated charges years after coming to the same conclusion on Iraq's threat as the Bush administration looking at the same evidence.

At 2:32 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

Ohh, and it should go without saying the civilian leaders of the military needn't actually have military experience.

If that weren't the case, we wouldn't need civilian leaders.

At 2:53 PM, Blogger oded said...

The 'Bush Lied' meme is false.

Prove it.

First you are all, just wait and see there will be WMD, then we wait and there are no WMD, then you are like I cant belive you are still hung up on the fact that there are no WMD. I used to be for the war untill Ilooked at the "evidence" that Powell presented to the UN. What does that make me? And By the way it has come out recently that bush got diffrent "evidence" than congress a revelation that the WH contiues to pretend has not been publicly alledged, same way they wouldn't stop Lieing about 9/11 and Iraq for years after the reports stateing that there was no evidence that they were conected

There are public officials that have said Bush Lied about his motivations for war and that Iraq was mentioned hours after 9/11. So I ask you where is your proof that Bush didn't lie? Isn't the worst kind of political opertunism the kind that leads nations into war under false pretenses?

At 2:57 PM, Blogger oded said...

Ohh, and it should go without saying the makers of robots of the military needn't actually have robot makeing experience.

but it might perclude them from getting contracts.

At 3:11 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

I don't think you really believe what your saying, Ivan. In the past we've discussed about how the War resolution was sold as a way to encourage inspections and avoid war. It was part of a "coercive diplomacy" strategy. Bush said every day that he asked God to allow a peaceful resolution and other such horseshit.

The consensus in 2k3 was that Saddam was a jerk and he ought not be in control of powerful weapons; as it happens, containment was the correct strategy to achieve that outcome, as the inspections were proving.

At 3:14 PM, Blogger Ivan said...

" Ohh, and it should go without saying the makers of robots of the military needn't actually have robot makeing experience."

The person making the choice to buy a robot for the military needn't have robotics experience.

Read this

I don't have a problem with inquiring whether the intelligence was "bent" by the administration. But here's the rule: You only get to do it once.
And it's been done. The Senate Intelligence Committee addressed at this issue in its "Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq."

The Committee found no evidence that the IC's [Intelligence Community's] mischaracterization or exaggeration of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) capbilities was the result of political pressure.

At 3:29 PM, Blogger Miguel said...

Prewar: this'll only take a month or two; we'll be greeted as liberators, and if we don't do it, Saddam will sell his nuclear arsenal to al Qaeda.

Expect more complaints, bro.


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